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	<title>Comments on: Jesus Hates Fat People</title>
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		<title>By: DJG</title>
		<link>http://churchvoices.com/archives/328/comment-page-1#comment-6246</link>
		<dc:creator>DJG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Dec 2006 04:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, we should never let anyone who is unattractive "up front" because that is an "exaulted" place. Dont you know: all eyes up front? its all about how we look up front. Wow, maybe is would be shocking to the world to have real people "up front" they would be so offended if we were all real, wouldnt they. And of course everyone wants to see "up front" as a show, right? it is more important than, "out of the building" or "hands on" or "up close and personal", right? No one wants to be touched or moved by the spirit, they just want a good show (good-looking-show at that) right? Demonstration of power and spirt? well that's not for today, people want "pretty" right? Wrong. I dont think hurting people want or are impressed by our high class, polished, unblemished show, not really cause they dont come to "our" church for that, but... but some church goers do. They want the cute little team and church so they can impress people. But God impresses, but not like that.  If someone wants to come to "our" church, they arent going to convert because the worship team was size 9. Anyone who has a problem with this needs a rough tour of the world of missions and street ministry, being real and getting relevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, we should never let anyone who is unattractive &#8220;up front&#8221; because that is an &#8220;exaulted&#8221; place. Dont you know: all eyes up front? its all about how we look up front. Wow, maybe is would be shocking to the world to have real people &#8220;up front&#8221; they would be so offended if we were all real, wouldnt they. And of course everyone wants to see &#8220;up front&#8221; as a show, right? it is more important than, &#8220;out of the building&#8221; or &#8220;hands on&#8221; or &#8220;up close and personal&#8221;, right? No one wants to be touched or moved by the spirit, they just want a good show (good-looking-show at that) right? Demonstration of power and spirt? well that&#8217;s not for today, people want &#8220;pretty&#8221; right? Wrong. I dont think hurting people want or are impressed by our high class, polished, unblemished show, not really cause they dont come to &#8220;our&#8221; church for that, but&#8230; but some church goers do. They want the cute little team and church so they can impress people. But God impresses, but not like that.  If someone wants to come to &#8220;our&#8221; church, they arent going to convert because the worship team was size 9. Anyone who has a problem with this needs a rough tour of the world of missions and street ministry, being real and getting relevant.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Reed</title>
		<link>http://churchvoices.com/archives/328/comment-page-1#comment-5662</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 21:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only on ministers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only on ministers.</p>
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		<title>By: Christian</title>
		<link>http://churchvoices.com/archives/328/comment-page-1#comment-5660</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 21:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe we should do a background check for affairs...</description>
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		<title>By: Tim Reed</title>
		<link>http://churchvoices.com/archives/328/comment-page-1#comment-5657</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 18:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was in no way a fat-acceptance manifesto, or an encouragement to bulk up on the gravy and meat lovers pizza diet.  

What it is, is me pointing out that his view of fat people and the way he wants to deal with fat people is just as cultural as Ingrid's view of blue mohawks.  

The next step is, obviously, to do a background check on everyone who doesn't match up to a height/weight chart and figure out why they are the way they are in order to determine if they're sinning.  Of course, anyone on the other end of the height/weight chart should be checked out for eating disorders.  And just to be safe we should probably just hire a PI to check on everyone else.  You know for affairs, poor stewardship, being mean to small animals and any other type of sin that should exclude them from leading worship.

My point is that Brian is singling out particular sins based on his cultural awareness.  our culture doesn't like fatties so Brian doesn't like fatties.  Its not different than the church historically viewing sexual sins as being untenable but not paying much attentino to other types of sin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was in no way a fat-acceptance manifesto, or an encouragement to bulk up on the gravy and meat lovers pizza diet.  </p>
<p>What it is, is me pointing out that his view of fat people and the way he wants to deal with fat people is just as cultural as Ingrid&#8217;s view of blue mohawks.  </p>
<p>The next step is, obviously, to do a background check on everyone who doesn&#8217;t match up to a height/weight chart and figure out why they are the way they are in order to determine if they&#8217;re sinning.  Of course, anyone on the other end of the height/weight chart should be checked out for eating disorders.  And just to be safe we should probably just hire a PI to check on everyone else.  You know for affairs, poor stewardship, being mean to small animals and any other type of sin that should exclude them from leading worship.</p>
<p>My point is that Brian is singling out particular sins based on his cultural awareness.  our culture doesn&#8217;t like fatties so Brian doesn&#8217;t like fatties.  Its not different than the church historically viewing sexual sins as being untenable but not paying much attentino to other types of sin.</p>
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		<title>By: Christian</title>
		<link>http://churchvoices.com/archives/328/comment-page-1#comment-5656</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 18:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand that you are criticizing this person's view of fat people.  But in labeling his view as cultural, it appears as though you make obesity a christian freedom (such as blue hair mohawks).  To think that what leads to such obesity in the majority of people as perfectly okay is unbiblical.  In no way I'm I referring here to God not loving a person.  But we are given wisdom in the word even to things like taking care of the physical body.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand that you are criticizing this person&#8217;s view of fat people.  But in labeling his view as cultural, it appears as though you make obesity a christian freedom (such as blue hair mohawks).  To think that what leads to such obesity in the majority of people as perfectly okay is unbiblical.  In no way I&#8217;m I referring here to God not loving a person.  But we are given wisdom in the word even to things like taking care of the physical body.</p>
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