The language here absolutely is wrong, in the way they used it. And absolutely not I would not show this in church and I don’t think Tim would either not because of the language, but because it would be more of a distraction than the point/lesson is worth. It in no way would edify others or glorify God on Sunday morning. However, I would be willing to show it in certain studies if it would connect.

But frankly, I wasn’t thinking about the language when I made the final comment. I was thinking of the length of the piece among other things. You were reading into the article more than I said.

Also, your first comment deals with their genuiness as Christians and then you go off onto appropriateness of the language in the church setting. Those are two seperate things in this particular instance. The reason is that their language was used to degrade, demean, tear down, hurt, and otherwise offend the opposing party. That is absolutely wrong. Do I question their genuiness and sincerity of their christianity because of their language? No. Do I question it because of any one of those things? No. I do question it because of all of them and because of the way they talked about being in church and baptism. As if baptism and attending church was what they needed (clearly that wasn’t the case with the girl because that didn’t seem to change how she lived). Everything about the situation was wrong for a professor of the Christian faith, including the language (again, not because that language in and of itself is sinful, but because of the way it was used.)

Tim, I don’t think Keith’s question was (begging the question). I just think his understanding behind the question is flawed. If I were to ask you the same question I would probably get a straight answer (even if I had to beat it out of you.) So you answered what was behind his question apropriately enough but he didn’t see that because you didn’t connect it to the basic assumptions he held.

The fact is that it wasn’t a fair question, it built into its premise the conclusion which is defined as Begging the Question, which my question demonstrated.

You asked a fair question but got a politically-framed question that only begs more questions. Oh well…

“Have nothing to do with foolish, ignorant controversies; you know that they breed quarrels.” - 2 Timothy

Christian doesn’t feel that he could “show this on a Sunday morning;” would you be able to show this to your congregation? Just asking.