Comments on: Kung Fu Christians http://churchvoices.com/archives/58 Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:23:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Ben Walker http://churchvoices.com/archives/58#comment-257 Ben Walker Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://churchvoices.com/?p=58#comment-257 Good stuff bro... well said. Good stuff bro… well said.

]]> By: Bill http://churchvoices.com/archives/58#comment-258 Bill Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://churchvoices.com/?p=58#comment-258 Using science to support religion or religion to support science is a contradiction. Each is self-sufficient and independent of the other. Each has its own areas of thought and work and each has its own methods. For science to try to destroy religion is ridiculous, and for religion to dictate to science is equally ridiculous. Science is the acquisition of facts and knowledge about the universe around us, using techniques that have been shown to be reliable. Religion is the determining of the means and ends and the values to be used in our lives. That, in the past, statements have been made by religious figures that are not supportable by science does not invalidate religion. It simply means the historic figures didn't know what we know now. Religion will never trump science, just as science cannot trump religion. They are important and co-equal parts of our existance. Using science to support religion or religion to support science is a contradiction. Each is self-sufficient and independent of the other. Each has its own areas of thought and work and each has its own methods. For science to try to destroy religion is ridiculous, and for religion to dictate to science is equally ridiculous. Science is the acquisition of facts and knowledge about the universe around us, using techniques that have been shown to be reliable. Religion is the determining of the means and ends and the values to be used in our lives. That, in the past, statements have been made by religious figures that are not supportable by science does not invalidate religion. It simply means the historic figures didn’t know what we know now. Religion will never trump science, just as science cannot trump religion. They are important and co-equal parts of our existance.

]]> By: tim http://churchvoices.com/archives/58#comment-259 tim Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://churchvoices.com/?p=58#comment-259 Neither one is completely separate from the other. Both are in the business of describing our universe. Science is confined to understanding the natural world by exploring natural law via observation and other means. Religion (or at least the monotheistic religions) rely on the divine intersecting with the mundane to communicate a message that, in part, describes our universe. When science was first developing theology and science were seen as two different endeavors doing the same thing. Science revealed the creator by revealing the creation. Theology revealed the creation by exploring the revelation. The claim that science and religion are separate and cannot interact at all is a claim that can only be made by claiming that either religion or science do not describe our universe. I'm not willing to make that claim because its so obviously false. Neither one is completely separate from the other. Both are in the business of describing our universe. Science is confined to understanding the natural world by exploring natural law via observation and other means. Religion (or at least the monotheistic religions) rely on the divine intersecting with the mundane to communicate a message that, in part, describes our universe. When science was first developing theology and science were seen as two different endeavors doing the same thing. Science revealed the creator by revealing the creation. Theology revealed the creation by exploring the revelation.

The claim that science and religion are separate and cannot interact at all is a claim that can only be made by claiming that either religion or science do not describe our universe. I’m not willing to make that claim because its so obviously false.

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